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Comments to this News The anomalies as brought out wherein civilian officers who were in lower grade have now been placed in higher grade of pay has caused a major discontenment amongst all officers.Govt should take immediate steps to redress this grave injustice.
It is sad that inspite of having the toughest service conditions (including promotions)and having to stay away from their families for long durations they are now being discriminated in pay. This reinforces the need for a seperate pay commission for the services.
, K Bhattacharya (9/2/2008 11:42:23 PM)
Incorrect Claim, refer to their previous pay scales
Rank Pay Scale Plus Rank Pay
i) Lt Rs.8150-8250-300-10500 -
ii) Capt Rs.9450-9600-300-11400 Rs. 400/-
iii) Major Rs. 11600-325-14850 Rs. 1200/-
iv) Lt Col Rs. 13500-400-17100 Rs. 1600/-
v) Col Rs. 15100-450-17350 Rs. 2000/-
vi) Brig Rs. 16700-450-18050 Rs. 2400/-
vii) Maj Gen Rs.18400-500-22400 -
viii) Lt Gen Rs.22400-525-24500 -
ix) DGAFMS Rs.24050-650-26000 -, FIGHTER (9/3/2008 12:18:47 PM)
We agree that the service conditions are tough for the forces. They should be paid well. May be much more than what they are being offered, but the flip side is that they may look for civilian jobs after they retire. so some parity of grades need to be maintained, in order to enable them to move in at appropriate levels. I personally do not agree to their equating Lt Col to grade S-24 of Director. The basic pay of Lt Col is Rs 13500/- as per 5th pay commission. A Colonel may be equated to a scale of Director, though his end of scale(17350/-) falls short of 18,300/- which is end of scale for the Director. Is there no one in the forces who understands this or they pretend to show their ignorance of the same, when they talk of pay parity? May God bless all such gentelmen complaining of dissatisfaction with the present pay scales, with a good reason to substantiate their claim., Munna Bhai (9/3/2008 10:34:01 PM)
I believe that the top brass in forces are trying to push Lt Col and equivalent in order to achieve their ends, of achieving better grade pay than civilians. If any one agrees with me, please put down your opinions here. I am open to change my opinion,but under the present circumstance it looks as though I am correct., FIGHTER (9/3/2008 10:39:45 PM)
Comments to this News
The anomalies as brought out wherein civilian officers who were in lower grade have now been placed in higher grade of pay has caused a major discontenment amongst all officers.Govt should take immediate steps to redress this grave injustice.
It is sad that inspite of having the toughest service conditions (including promotions)and having to stay away from their families for long durations they are now being discriminated in pay. This reinforces the need for a seperate pay commission for the services.
, K Bhattacharya (02/09/2008 23:42:23)
Incorrect Claim, refer to their previous pay scales
Rank Pay Scale Plus Rank Pay
i) Lt Rs.8150-8250-300-10500 -
ii) Capt Rs.9450-9600-300-11400 Rs. 400/-
iii) Major Rs. 11600-325-14850 Rs. 1200/-
iv) Lt Col Rs. 13500-400-17100 Rs. 1600/-
v) Col Rs. 15100-450-17350 Rs. 2000/-
vi) Brig Rs. 16700-450-18050 Rs. 2400/-
vii) Maj Gen Rs.18400-500-22400 -
viii) Lt Gen Rs.22400-525-24500 -
ix) DGAFMS Rs.24050-650-26000 -, FIGHTER (03/09/2008 12:18:47)
We agree that the service conditions are tough for the forces. They should be paid well. May be much more than what they are being offered, but the flip side is that they may look for civilian jobs after they retire. so some parity of grades need to be maintained, in order to enable them to move in at appropriate levels. I personally do not agree to their equating Lt Col to grade S-24 of Director. The basic pay of Lt Col is Rs 13500/- as per 5th pay commission. A Colonel may be equated to a scale of Director, though his end of scale(17350/-) falls short of 18,300/- which is end of scale for the Director. Is there no one in the forces who understands this or they pretend to show their ignorance of the same, when they talk of pay parity? May God bless all such gentelmen complaining of dissatisfaction with the present pay scales, with a good reason to substantiate their claim., Munna Bhai (03/09/2008 22:34:01)
I believe that the top brass in forces are trying to push Lt Col and equivalent in order to achieve their ends, of achieving better grade pay than civilians. If any one agrees with me, please put down your opinions here. I am open to change my opinion,but under the present circumstance it looks as though I am correct., FIGHTER (03/09/2008 22:39:45)
, yygg (9/3/2008 10:47:33 PM)
WHAT ABOUT PBOR. SINCE ALL MEN IN UNIFORM ARE FACING THE SAME BULLET , SO THE MSP SHOULD BE EQUAL TO ALL, PUSHPA (9/4/2008 9:10:16 PM)
The TOP Brass of Armed forces want Pay hike? For WHAT... That too equivalent or greater than IAS cadres, who are cream of Indian society.
I think first your PBOR's should be given good PAY, deal and facilities instead of cornering and grabbing them which are maent for PBOR,s, Srinivas (9/4/2008 9:41:38 PM)
The TOP Brass of Armed forces want Pay hike? For WHAT... That too equivalent or greater than IAS cadres, who are cream of Indian society.
I think first your PBOR's should be given good PAY, deal and facilities instead of cornering and grabbing them which are maent for PBOR,s, Srinivas (9/4/2008 9:43:23 PM)
Persons in forces should be given risk allowance and not MSP. Risk allowance should be given to only those who face the bullet/ border/harsh areas. The higher officers who work in an environment similar to civilians, shoul get paid evivalent to the civilians and all their benefits like canteen services, jawans at home etc should be withdrawn. The ones at the top may just be those who have never faced the bullet. This is a serious toopic which needs to be delibrated upon., Fighter (9/4/2008 11:38:58 PM)
For those who are not aware: Rank Pay which was CARVED OUT of Army Pay scales' by 4th Pay committee is part of Basic Pay for all purposes and has to be included to compare with civilian pay scales. Some people think that it is like NPA. It is Not so.
The rank pay was reduced from pay scales so as to give an edge to the senior ranks other wise junior ranks with more years of service drew more salary than senior ranks in the running pay scales system introduced by 4th pay commission.
, Ethis (9/5/2008 11:18:34 AM)
For those who are not aware: Rank Pay which was CARVED OUT of Army Pay scales' by 4th Pay committee is part of Basic Pay for all purposes and has to be included to compare with civilian pay scales. Some people think that it is like NPA. It is Not so.
The rank pay was reduced from pay scales so as to give an edge to the senior ranks other wise junior ranks with more years of service drew more salary than senior ranks in the running pay scales system introduced by 4th pay commission.
, Ethis (9/5/2008 11:18:59 AM)
@fighter.Dear you seem to be ignorant yourself.Kindly add rank pay of LtCol in 13500 as rank pay is the basic pay for every purpose under the sun.Please do not support a wrong thing., Dev (9/5/2008 3:48:18 PM)
Please refer this article published in "Hindu", it says Lt Col had nothing to loose in fourth pay commission. If you want I shall corroborate more evidence.
A humble request, please do not spread wrong notions.
Defence officers want pay anomaly corrected
Sandeep Dikshit
NEW DELHI: The Lt. Governor of Pondicherry, Gen. M. M. Lakhera, has sought Defence Minister Pranab Mukherjee's intervention to correct a 20-year-old Pay Commission anomaly that affects over 25,000 defence officers, most of whom have retired.
In a letter to Mr. Mukherjee, Gen. Lakhera said he had persuaded the officers not to approach the court for redress and requested the Minister to give them their due "in the larger interest of the Government."
The former officers have been contacting each other by e-mail initiated by Brig (Retd.) O. P. Marwah, Chairman of the largest welfare organisation of former defence officers. It all started with a case filed by then Captain A. K. Dhanapalan who had contended that the pay for officers up to the rank of Brigadier had been wrongly fixed and was not in conformity with the recommendations of the Fourth Pay Commission. The officer's contention was upheld first by a single judge of the Kerala High Court and then by a two-member Bench of the same court. After 542 days, when the Government went for an appeal, the Supreme Court did not "find any justifiable explanation for the delay" and dismissed the special leave petition.
The impact of the one-time payment to these officers would be Rs. 120 crore with no perpetuating effect, according to Gen. (Retd.) Surjit Singh, Chairman of the Army's Fourth Pay Commission cell. The payout would vary between Rs. 25,000 to Rs. 70,000 in extreme cases. A meeting of former officers in NOIDA has decided that no officer would claim interest on 20-year-old arrears. "Many of the officers are too old to claim the money and some have died. So, the payout would be for a maximum of 22,000 officers," estimates Gen. Singh.
The seeds for the anomaly were sown after the Fourth Pay Commission recommended "rank pay" in addition to the new payscales for officers up to the rank of Brigadier. But the bureaucracy deducted the rank pay, fixed the new scales and then added the rank pay. Brigadiers were not affected at all while Colonels lost one increment. Lt. Colonels too did not have much to complain about. He said there is a lesson from this mistake for the proposed Sixth Pay Commission. "Unless this new panel has enough military component, this may happen again. I remember that if ever we went to call on the office of the Pay Commission, they looked upon us as if we had broken the rules. The decision makers should realise that only the wearer can tell where the shoe pinches and the ethos of military service can only be understood by those who have donned the uniform," he said.
, FIGHTER (9/5/2008 9:29:34 PM)
KAST TO SABI KARTE HAI, PBOR KA THO BAGHWAN MALIK HAI, E APNE LIYE KUCH NAHI MANG SAKTHE , VIJA (9/6/2008 2:20:28 PM)
Its really unfortunate that the civilians do not empathise with their brothers in uniform,due to lack of awareness.
Firstly, whenever and where ever the country is in trouble, be it internal security,or natural calamity, when NO IAS, BSF or CRPF is able to handle a situation the same is handled exceptionally well by the Armed forces.
secondly,civilians in Metros see the few army men in their cities and assume army life is full of perks and privileges,little realising not more than 10 percent of the Army is in such places.The chances of an army man getting one tenure of three years in his life time to a decent city is less than 20 percent.
Thirdly,one cannot compare a jawan to an officer when it comes to military service pay.For every vacancy for a jawan there are a thousand fit men ready to join.Do we have such qualified persons lining upto join as officers?
Fourthly,How many officers rejected for BSF or CRPF or IAS joined the Armed Forces;It is always the other way round
Lastly,commanding larger number of men alone does not give superiority to someone. The police, the paramilitary know- that their success rate in counter terrorist operationsvisa vis troops employed is far less than that of army;while the number of artmy officers killed is far more than that of officers from any other service, viji (9/6/2008 5:19:32 PM)
There should be no confrontationalist stance between civilian an Forces pay scales. As far as concordance bettween levels are concerne , the pay commission do not have the expertise or even have directives of the Govt to decide. And this is good. What they have done is to suggest replacement scales, both for the Lt colonels as well as for the Lt. generals. And in that with Military sevice pay/rank pay the equivalence has not been disturbed. If in the understanding of the forces , this equivalence needs to be changed , it should be done by a Govt. decision independant of the pay commission reccommendation. In fact as far as making a suggestion for new pay scale , taking into consideration inflation and general rise in compensation packages all around is an exercise which could have been completed in a fortnight .
SNT , satyentrivedi (9/6/2008 8:58:23 PM)
Though this is not a poetry blog, the newsworthiness of the following ballad merits its inclusion here. It has been composed by a fourth generation, 24-year old career officer in the Indian Armed Forces, spurred by the report of the Sixth Pay Commission and an insensitive article written by a 'respectable' denizen of the country in a national daily on the armed forces and the pertinence of the Sixth Pay Commission therein. This free-flowing verse has not been edited; it's to ensure that the originality of the angst is maintained. After all, when you are in pain, the language of expression is the last thing in your mind
How you play with us, did you ever see?
At Seven, I had decided what I wanted to be;
I would serve you to the end,
All these boundaries I would defend.
Now you make me look like a fool,
When at Seventeen and just out of school;
Went to the place where they made "men out of boys"
Lived a tough life …sacrificed a few joys…
In those days, I would see my 'civilian' friends,
Living a life with the fashion trends;
Enjoying their so called "College Days"
While I sweated and bled in the sun and haze…
But I never thought twice about what where or why
All I knew was when the time came, I'd be ready to do or die.
At 21 and with my commission in hand,
Under the glory of the parade and the band,
I took the oath to protect you over land, air or sea,
And make the supreme sacrifice when the need came to be.
I stood there with a sense of recognition,
But on that day I never had the premonition,
that when the time came to give me my due,
You'd just say," What is so great that you do?"
Long back you promised a well to do life;
And when I'm away, take care of my wife.
You came and saw the hardships I live through,
And I saw you make a note or two,
And I hoped you would realise the worth of me;
but now I know you'll never be able to see,
Because you only see the glorified life of mine,
Did you see the place where death looms all the time?
Did you meet the man standing guard in the snow?
The name of his newborn he does not know...
Did you meet the man whose father breathed his last?
While the sailor patrolled our seas so vast?
You still know I'll not be the one to raise my voice
I will stand tall and protect you in Punjab Himachal and Thois.
But that's just me you have in the sun and rain,
For now at Twenty Four, you make me think again;
About the decision I made, Seven years back;
Should I have chosen another life, some other track?
Will I tell my son to follow my lead?
Will I tell my son, you'll get all that you need?
This is the country you will serve
This country will give you all that you deserve?
I heard you tell the world "India is shining"
I told my men, that's a reason for us to be smiling
This is the India you and I will defend!
But tell me how long will you be able to pretend?
You go on promise all that you may,
But it's the souls of your own men you betray.
Did you read how some of our eminent citizens
Write about me and ridicule my very existence?
I ask you to please come and see what I do,
Come and have a look at what I go through
Live my life just for a day
Maybe you'll have something else to say?
I will still risk my life without a sigh
To keep your flag flying high
but today I ask myself a question or two…
Oh India…. Why do I still serve you? , S Bhatia (9/7/2008 12:01:37 AM)
@ Brother Bhatia,
An excellent poem which definitely brings out the plights of Armed forces!!!
well Just to add to it i can say
The Nation which chanted the Slogan
"Jai Jawan, Jai Kisan"
has not started chanting the slogan
"Jai Babus, Jai Corporate"
so whatever is happening is becoz the country men have failed to recognise the plight of the armed forces, but at the very outset of any natural disaster be it floods, earthquake, Tsunami or to the extent "Prince Falling in Borewell pit" they expect or look forward for armed forces to come in rescue....why???
Isnt the masterminds of Babus or other govt agencies not capable of planing the necessary wherewithal required to meet such natural calamities???
Yes Country men please feel free to degrade the Armed Forces!!! They will never revolt for what the country is giving back to them as for them they'll always ask ......
"What i have given to the country ? "
Jai Hind, S S Singh (9/7/2008 2:55:06 PM)
Fighter
u r not clear of facts,where have u adjusted the rank pay of army officers?- in the pay of babu's. Rank pay is very much a part of pay of an army/def officer for all practical purposes and moreso one of the earlier pay commission carved out this from their existining pay at that time.It now seems it is a deliberate step by step attempt to downgrade status of armed forces.if one does this in steps people like u have misunderstood/halfunderstood facts to defend ur justifications., Nagy (9/9/2008 6:10:24 PM)
justice for armed forces is long awaited. i feel the same will never be granted.what is the reason for not including a senior defence officer in the pay panel?decision about one rank one pension has not been implemented inspite of an announcement made by the defence minister at Anandpur Sahib. govt is requested to declare a separate pay panel for Armed forces to solve their problems , mjoshi (9/11/2008 1:32:26 PM)
dear bhatia why u beg through ur peoms a soldier is thatwho never begs he'll take what he need by showing his sueriority ur commading all weapons use them as per ur requirement everybody in this countary does so why not u.................... singh@rajput , singh (9/11/2008 8:43:06 PM)
Regarding pension of PBOR's should be one rank one pension. In 5th pay commission the difference in Hav & Nb Sub was much, this should be minimis and additional pay should be recommended to the Clerical cadres as they are working day & night in offices with fully dedication., Hav Phool Chand (9/13/2008 9:30:11 PM)
Regarding pension of PBOR's should be one rank one pension. In 5th pay commission the difference in Hav & Nb Sub was much, this should be minimis and additional pay should be recommended to the Clerical cadres as they are working day & night in offices with fully dedication., Hav Phool Chand (9/13/2008 9:32:14 PM)
self before serivce is the slogan of officers of defence.regarding MSP officers are more priveleged than a jawan. Jawan lives in worse and adverse conditions than officer. Jawan is being paid 2000/0 officer is paid 6000/-
, suresh (9/20/2008 9:00:55 PM)
REMOVAL OF DISPARITIES OF DEFENSE PERSONNEL
1. It is submitted that the defense services officers of all the three services have been scandalously, shamefully and outrageously desecrated, disgraced, dishonored, besmirched and degraded as can be seen from the notification of 6th pay commission report. The public opinion is that this is the first time, when the defense persons have been treated so poorly. This fact can be seen from the past records of earlier pay commission reports. Therein, you will find that the Defense Services officers were given better pay, and allowances than all the Civil Services and Para Military Forces officers. Rather, this is the first time, when Civil Services, Para Military Forces officers and many others holding equivalent and/or even lower posts than their counter parts in defense services are given higher pay and allowance/Grade Pay.
2. It is needless to emphasize that the financial benefit to the defense officers definitely has to be kept in mind. This is emphatically important considering their service conditions and low retirement age. However, their prestige, dignity and honor is rather that of more importance for them, which must not be destroyed, degraded and tarnished as has been done in the notified 6th Pay Commission Report. This statement is evident from the fact the seniority and status of all the Govt. employees will be determined by the Grade Pay of all the officials in accordance with the 6th pay commission report.
3. Nevertheless, the three Chiefs of Defense Services have pointed out the degradation with vivid disparities in the Gde. Pay of some of the defense officers of the rank of Lt. Cols., Lt. Gens. and equivalent ranks of all three services, which will have adverse effects during the joint operations.
4. With due apology, I wish to mention that in addition to the above, there are still number of more grave and worst disparities in the cases of officers of the ranks of Majors, captains and Lieutenants, and equivalent ranks of all three services as well as trainees of these services.
5. You may kindly see that the pre-revised scales of pay of civil services officers falling in S-21, S-22, and S-23 were much less then the pay scale of Majors and equivalent ranks of all three services. Irrespective of this fact; in accordance with the 6th pa commission report notifications, the Civilian Officers of the categories mentioned ibid are given the Grade Pay of Rs. 7600/-, where as all officers of the rank of Majors and equivalent ranks of all three services have been given the Grade pay of Rs. 6600/- only.
6. In addition, the Chief Nursing Officers of Para Military Services, the Principals of schools, Education Officers, Assistant Directors and Managers, whose pre-revised scales were 10000-15200; all of them have now been given the Grade Pay of Rs. 7600/-, whereas, the officers of the rank of Majors and equivalent ranks of all three services, earlier drawing much higher pay scale than them, have been given the Grade pay of Rs. 6600/- only.
7. The degradation of Defense Services Officers does not end here itself. If you peruse the VI CPC report and notifications thereto, you will see, that the ‘Vice Principal Grade I’ and Post Graduate Teacher Grade I of schools whose pre-revised scale was 8000-13200 are now given the Grade Pay of Rs. 6600/-, but in the case of the officers of the rank of Captains and equivalent ranks of all three services, whose pre-revised pay was much higher than the officials mentioned above are given Grade Pay of 6100/- only. Likewise, the pre-revised pay scale of the officers of the rank of Lieutenants and equivalent ranks of all three services was starting from Rs 8250/ which is more than the officials mentioned ibid, their Grade Pay is given just Rs. 5400/- only
8. From the above, you can very well see that this the first time when the defense services officers of all the three services alone have been scandalously, shamefully and outrageously desecrated, disgraced, dishonored, besmirched and degraded.
9. Further, it may be seen that any officers or officials of Central or State Govt. join any service in any post, they start getting their full pay and allowances from the day they join the service. Rather, they are paid their full pay and allowances during their training period, irrespective of duration of their training. In the cases Officers and PBOR of Defense services, they are paid just stipend during the period of their initial training. Such a big discrimination and injustice must not be done to the defense services personnel alone.
10. The 6th Pay Commission and the Govt. has very kindly recommended and accepted the prolonged and long standing/awaited demand of Military Service Pay (‘MSP’) of defense personnel. But, it is highly unjustified as to why the MSP should not be applicable w. e. f. the day the 6th pay commission is effective. Were the soldiers not the part of defense forces and/or they have not been performing their duties since 1 Jan 2006? If they are legitimate part of defense forces and have been performing their duties since 1 Jan 2006 and the 6th Pay commission is since effective from 1 Jan 2006, the MSP must be given to them w.e.f that very date and the arrears whatever due should be paid accordingly.
11. Further, Military Service Pay is since the Pay, it is highly illogical not to considered it to calculate dearness allowance and increments on this pay. It may be noted that the Central Govt. has agreed to pay dearness allowance on the Transport Allowance. It is surprising to note that when the tpt. allowance is an allowance and not the pay, the dearness allowance is permitted on it, but the MSP is the Pay, yet, it is not considered for the purpose. Hence, the Govt. must reconsider its decision to pay dearness allowance on MSP as well as, it must be included to calculate increments w.e.f. 01 Jan 2006 please.
12. In view of the foregoing, an earnest appeal is made to the Prime Minister, Defense Minister, Finance Minister and all other authorities to do justice to the Defense Officers and PBOR of all the three services to look into the matter judiciously, restore their status and dignity and give them their due as suggested below:-
(a). In the cases of Lt. Generals, Lt. Colonels and PBOR, as taken up by the Chiefs of three Defense Services.
(b). In the case of the officers of the rank of Majors and equivalent ranks of all three services, the Grade pay of Rs. 7600/- be given.
(c). In the case of the officers of the rank of Captains and equivalent ranks of all three services, the Grade pay of Rs. 6600/- be given.
(d). In the case of the officers of the rank of Lieutenants and equivalent ranks of all three services, the Grade pay of Rs. 6100/- be given.
(e). Give full pay, allowances and Grade Pay to all the Officers and PBOR of Defense services during the period of their initial training as is being done in the case of other Central and State Govt. Officials.
13. If suggestions recommendations above are accepted, it is assured that it will have great impact to raise the morale of Defense Services Personnel and attract desired, rather better talents to join Military Services, thus huge vacancies of officers existing since long will be made up. This will prove to be in the best interest of the nation and national security.
Thanks.
Yours truly,
Kishan.
, krishanlaljaspal (9/22/2008 2:24:57 PM)
It is very amusing to hear from some of our members that Army(Defence Services) is trying to equate them selves with IAS officers, who are cream of the nation yes they may be true to the extent that they eat all the cream of the nation. Do they have to see there salary slip? Answer is NO for obvious reasons. Plus they get better perks, privileges and status right from the day they get commissioned.
Army Officers have to lay their lives for defending country against external aggregation but we have suffered more casualties while trying to deal with internal securities which are the function of Civil administration and not Army. Calling of army frequently for disaster management such as flood, most recent example being Bihar Flood, Train accidents, even when a child falls in a well it’s the Army which has to deal with the situation, what happens to the CREAM then? Cream is only to eat or is it to deliver? Let’s NOT talk like buffoons, be logical in what we say. Why are we trying to create a class among a class when there is none in the constitution? Is it just because the army community has no equal representation in the Commission being ordered by the Govt? yes its surely because of this.
Just answer how many officers are short in IAS carders? Shortage of Officers carder in Army is ALARMING. What ever we may say the Nation has to pay a very heavy price one day in case we don’t make up for the shortfall. Why are we closing our eyes to evade a problem? We have paid a heavy price during KARGIL war, why are we doing the same mistake again? Have we not learnt anything from our past? We have to make this profession a lucrative one so that CREAM joins the Army which has to deal with all adverse situations.
, ricky (9/24/2008 10:21:34 PM)
Is there any one to look into the plight of PBOR.
Bhagwan hi Maalik hai inka., sanjay (9/26/2008 11:56:17 AM)
Dear fighter please come and stay for one day with us then if at all u survive then talk about pay commission
yours truly
a soldiar from12000ft above msl
, vijay (9/26/2008 8:20:33 PM)
JAI JAI DEFENCE OFFICERS JAI JAI DEFENCE OFFICERS
OUR FORCES MAY BE GIVEN ALL OFFICER NO PBORS REQUIRED IN ANY OF THE SERVICE. , ANKI (9/28/2008 12:55:34 PM)
moving Lt col to pay band P4 is not justified Due to following reasons.
At present in DGQA organisation Lt col are working under the command of civillian officers In the grade of Dcso, as at SQAE(SZ)Meenambakkam Chennai.As per 5th pay commission Lt col's are in the scale of 13400-400-17100.Dcso's are in the scale of 14300-400-18300ie(S-24scale).As per sixth pay commission notification of govt Dcso's have been fitted in pay band p4 with grade pay of 8700.In order to have proper command& control,Lt col scale and grade pay should rightly be one step below that of Dcso's.The same has been done as per the Govt notification.In case increased scale is given to LtCol,Dcso's(Meaning civillan officers presetly in scale of 14300-18300) will naturally demand one higher&there will be no end.I hope the Govt will keep the above in mind before accepting any changes to accepted notification.
H.N.Nagaraja.Dcso(Rtd), H.N.Nagaraja (29/09/2008 14:30:36), H.N.Nagaraja (9/29/2008 2:47:51 PM)
correction
For,Lt Col's are in the scale of 13400-400-17100
Read Lt Col's are in the scale of13500-400-17100, H.N.Nagaraja (9/29/2008 2:54:26 PM)
For fighter, On boarder to stay with Army, I heard its BSF, if u want a boarder exp get in touch with BSF any season, any time, not like A..... moving back in winters, resulting in Kargil.
Pay Commission = who cries more gets more, even one can go upto the extent of revolt/m......
....... being used bcoz i respect our Jawans, raj kumar (10/1/2008 9:25:00 PM)
SIr,
The PBORs are the backbone of the Armed forces and the future of PBORs are always in a delemma whether he would get further extension based on various factors. He may be told to take retirement when half of his life is finished and it is very difficult to get any job outside and also unable to get adjusted with the civil world. At least some steps should be taken to incresae the pension amount marginally and also more quota to be given in state as well as central Govt. for the ex-service for the reason that he has given everything for the country leaving his youth at remote places higher altitudes. , Ravishankarr (10/3/2008 5:09:48 PM)
Fauji officers should be paid better or at par with their equivalent civilian counterpart. Its totaly mistake to equate the defence officers with IAS/IPS who are the cream of society.There is much difference in IQ level and selection requirement of both. with my vast experience in armed forces for about 20 years. I strongly say one should be paid for his work .The oficers of armed forces enjoy alot of facilities by their virtue of powers within their unit without paying any money where as javans pays for each and every things with their little earnings. so what I feel that fauji officers should be paid Handsome pay for being a good leaders , comrade. But he should be paid
MSP or other allowances only if he works in hard, warlike or war situations etc . Most javans are always in difficult conditions so they should be paid all kind of allowances sympathetically and also good pay of course. , SP Agrahari (10/4/2008 6:15:11 AM)
Dear Agrahari,
Yes we have low IQ and I have the lowest in armed forces. That's the reason I ended up doing M tech in Structural Engg(Civil) and landed in corrupt MES without those facilities of army, doing the job(Design Sec) which MES officers are either not capable of doing or avoiding willfully with help of their IQ, since eight years now. Army did not promote me thinking that I also have become corrupt like MES guys without realizing that I do not have the IQ to become corrupt (Look, army has low IQ).
Anyway I am happy with pay band three in 23 years of service,without helpers for 14 years and in Nagaland and J&K with automatic weapon in place of family with me for rest of the period. God bless this country and you and I think we know each other., RS Maan (10/6/2008 8:13:33 PM)
Since the superior is always right I have to agree with the low IQ ones and hence by default, i have to agree with hari from Agra who rightly belongs to the city's famous House.
The "Cream" is has to be paid better than military because if you do not, then they all will immidiately quit their hard demanding gruelling jobs and make a beeline to get into the Fuaj. because "Fauj mein ab Mauj hai" Is it? Hmmm... what a thought? or shall i say "What an idea Sir ji ?"
with a wet sloppy hug from a lower form of marine life.
, Arnav Saagar (10/9/2008 12:33:20 PM)
Pay group of clerks of Armed Forces have not upgraded since last three pay commission. They should be upgraded from 'y' group to 'X' group., Babu Jawan Singh (1/15/2009 8:43:52 PM)
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